Fictional vs realistic villans

Oh, they can bring in other characters from those movies. But they didn’t for a reason.

Hercules would be a fine addition to the game, but that movie was one of Disney’s weaker titles. James Woods’ performance as Hades made that movie, and turned Hades into one of the most iconic and beloved villains in the Disney canon, while Hercules… does not have that kind of esteem among the heroes. And Maleficent? With her flash and style and impeccable fashion sense, she is one of the most iconic villains not just in the Disney canon, but in all of animation. There’s a reason while Disney’s doing live action remakes of Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin and Lion King, when they did the remake of Sleeping Beauty, they named it Maleficent. Before Maleficent dropped, a lot of folks didn’t even realize sleeping beauty had a name.

Some Disney movies lean more heavily on their heroes. Many lean more heavily on their villains. And Disney villains are very much a self-sustaining brand that holds up as well as if not better than a lot of the Disney heroes.

Which is not to say there won’t be other characters from those titles, nor that other characters from those titles are a bad idea. But protagonist first is definitely not the way to go for every property. And in a lot of Disney titles, you can skip the protagonist outright and miss nothing. If they ever do 101 Dalmatians, it’s probably going to be Cruella de Vil and nothing else, rather than Pongo, Perdita, or Roger and Anita Dearly.

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Very true but in this case, you said Esmeralda was a better fit than Quasimoto…which isnt completely accurate. If you had said Frollo then ok.

In this case, both top Quasimodo for notability. Quasimodo is one of Disney’s weakest protagonists.

True but Esmeralda follows suit in a pretty close manner. Also is the reason he isnt a strong protagonists because he let the girl go with the guy she loved???

I know he gets the girl in number 2 but that doesnt count cuz it was cringy :confused:

That’s one of the few good character beats he gets. There needs to be a lot more of, “I do not own the female lead for being dude protagonist, even if I’m attracted to her.” Way too much women as prized for the hero to win running around in fiction. Not getting the girl does not make for a weaker protagonist.

Hunchback of Notre Dame was a movie they just could not do. The story was unadaptable within Disney’s constraints. So they had to make some very… safe decisions with a lot of the characters. They had far and away the most courage with Frollo. And less with Esmeralda. And the least with Quasimodo, who got filled with a lot of bland, generic traits and buried in the gargoyles’ humor to distract from the source material.

And a lot of what they do keep is… well… traits that are not about Quasimodo. Hunchback of Notre Dame was originally a political piece that created the modern idea of historical conservation. So a substantial portion of Quasimodo’s character is as an excuse show off the real star of the show, Notre Dame Cathedral. So we end up with a character who’s mostly reduced to a mix of generic traits and tour guide, with a side of an oversimplified, “be yourself”/“seeking acceptance” lesson and motivation.

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True, Quasimodo was definitely not as widely recognised as many of Disney’s heroes. But thats mainly because of Frollo. He kind of stole the show.

It’s not just about Frollo. A lot of Disney heroes face similarly spectacular villain performances, but don’t fade from memory in the same way. Jaffar, Scar, and Ursula are all beloved, iconic villains, but Aladdin, Simba, and Ariel are still prominent when we think of those movies because they’re much more strongly characterized. Hercules gets overshadowed by Hades, but not nearly so much. The most comparable is Princess Aurora being completely eclipsed by Maleficent, and she’s asleep half the movie.

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she only gets 12 minutes of screen time for the whole show…

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